I agree whole heartedly with going after Lee, but there is no way in Hell he is coming here. We will not be able to compete moneywise with the like of the Yankees, RedSox.... With that said, please go after Cliff Lee Mr. Dombrowski!
Below you will see the following career numbers for various starting pitchers since Opening Day 2007 (through this year's All-Star Break). You will see that Verlander's numbers are below all of the others.
Are you implying (perhaps unintentionally) that Verlander is the 12th best starting pitcher in the game?
How much weight do you put on each stat listed?
If Verlander = Jack Morris, then is Greinke = Dave Stieb?
All the above pitchers have stat lines better than Verlander (with the exception of Vasquez, which is fairly even). I am stating that Verlander is easily not in the top ten. You can argue whether that merits 12th, or 11th, or 19th. Is he that much better or worse than Vasquez or Hernandez? No. But the others on the list have far better numbers. Verlander walks too many people and this is his major flaw. The others have better control, or if they don't, they make up for it by allowing fewer base runners.
I like Verlander a lot, when he is on. He is a good ace for a good team, but he is not a great ace, which is important for any great team. I haven't seen that much of a marked increase over the past few years to elevate him to where Detroit needs him to be, which is why I say we need to make a concerted effort at Cliff Lee. With Verlander, we wanted Gaylord Perry, but instead I think we got Jim Perry... which is not bad.... but I'd rather have Gaylord. (Note: The Perry Metaphor refers to the magnitude of pitching dominance, not pitching style).
I don't know about the Morris - Stieb reference. I'll leave that to others.
Note that due to injury or recent success, Carpenter, Jiminez and Johnson are not included in the above discussion. I'd say they are probably better as well.
Verlander has been a real ace this year. At the time of this post he is the league leader in wins, winning percentage, IP, strikeouts, WHIP, and his strikeout to walk ratio is 4.6. His ERA is 2.38. He is a legitimate candidate to win the pitching triple crown in 2011.
Also, his stats since 2007 are depressed somewhat because of a uncharacteristically poor 2008. I'd suggest his typical level of play is closer to 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010 levels than the average of 2007-2010.
For fun, since May, Justin is:
8-0 11 starts 86 2/3 IP (just a shade under 8 IP per start) 17 ER (and 17 R) 1.77 ERA 51 hits 81 K 14 BB (+ 3 HBP) 0.75 WHIP
He has more Ks than hits, walks and HBP combined in the timeframe, and with margin. Not to many pitchers can do that for a two month period.
Last Edit: Jun 27, 2011 8:06:30 GMT -5 by theforty