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Post by Doobs on Jan 8, 2007 7:10:52 GMT -5
Summa, Summa, Summatime! Time to sit back and rewind. School is out and there is sortof a buzz.........
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Post by harlem on Jan 8, 2007 13:19:51 GMT -5
Or maybe Y&T's "Summa-Time Girls"
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Post by harlem on Jan 18, 2007 7:56:32 GMT -5
If you look at Pat Malone's career: www.geocities.com/knights1928/pastpl/malonep.htmland Dazzy Vance: www.geocities.com/knights1928/pastpl/vanced.htmlyou will see that during the prime years, Dazzy was better much than Malone. Was it Malone's length of his career that got him in the Hall? I am not saying that Vance defintely belongs, but his argument gets stronger now that Malone is in. Now, look at Lefty Grove. www.geocities.com/dbsociety/player/grovel.htmlEveryone is in agreement that Grove has not performed as expected as the number one pick overall. But his numbers indicate that he is probably the best pitcher in DBS history except for Carl Hubbell. It's fair to assume that he could wind up with 150 wins. Is he a sure thing for the Hall of Fame?
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Post by theburns on Jan 18, 2007 8:40:52 GMT -5
As far as Grove goes, yes.
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Post by theforty on Jan 18, 2007 9:37:25 GMT -5
I would take Ruffing's DBS career over Grove at this point.
I would say Malone got in on the strength of 1928-1932. I know he went 11-1 in '36, but he only threw 133 IP and his ERA was league average, so I'll suggest that was a lucky season and may have benefited from being a reliever (I presume he was - was he?) and either backed into a few wins or got insane run support.
So let's compare the Malone and Vance from 1928-1932.
Malone threw 50 more innings (than Vance) over the 1928-1932 period and was 81-48 (0.628) for a team that was 362-278 (0.566) without him. Malone allowed roughly 25% fewer runs over that time than an average pitcher. Pretty damned solid.
Vance has his advantages, too - though. He allowed roughly 30% runs fewer than an average pitcher, and struck out 70 more men while issuing 160(!) fewer walks (than Malone). He went 64-57 (0.529) for a team that went 281-369 (0.432) without him - so his winning percentage, as compared to the team he was on, was as impressive, if not more impressive than, Malone's.
I don't know as I could say Vance was much better in his prime years, or if he is a HOF in the DBS, but if forced to choose between Vance and Malone - with hindsight of knowing what they would do, I probably would pick Vance. But, it is not clear cut - and both were fine pitchers.
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Post by harlem on Jan 18, 2007 12:13:46 GMT -5
I would take Ruffing's DBS career over Grove at this point. I would say Malone got in on the strength of 1928-1932. I know he went 11-1 in '36, but he only threw 133 IP and his ERA was league average, so I'll suggest that was a lucky season and may have benefited from being a reliever (I presume he was - was he?) and either backed into a few wins or got insane run support. So let's compare the Malone and Vance from 1928-1932. Malone threw 50 more innings (than Vance) over the 1928-1932 period and was 81-48 (0.628) for a team that was 362-278 (0.566) without him. Malone allowed roughly 25% fewer runs over that time than an average pitcher. Pretty damned solid. Vance has his advantages, too - though. He allowed roughly 30% runs fewer than an average pitcher, and struck out 70 more men while issuing 160(!) fewer walks (than Malone). He went 64-57 (0.529) for a team that went 281-369 (0.432) without him - so his winning percentage, as compared to the team he was on, was as impressive, if not more impressive than, Malone's. I don't know as I could say Vance was much better in his prime years, or if he is a HOF in the DBS, but if forced to choose between Vance and Malone - with hindsight of knowing what they would do, I probably would pick Vance. But, it is not clear cut - and both were fine pitchers. As if the DBS wasn't geeky enough.....
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Post by osu054 on Jan 18, 2007 12:47:33 GMT -5
There is nothing to say about that. Nights must be lonely in Japan!! Thank you for lobbying for Vance. I don't put that much thought into teaching americas youth. While you are at is there a way to sway the voters to put Richbourg back on the ballot?
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Post by theforty on Jan 18, 2007 15:17:22 GMT -5
I am back from Japan for good, so the nights aren't as lonely as they once were.
I think it is not possible to sway voters minds on Lance Richbourg, which is probably a good thing, for it would make Homer Summa or Len Koenecke serious candidates...
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Post by harlem on Jan 19, 2007 7:05:42 GMT -5
I am back from Japan for good, so the nights aren't as lonely as they once were. Well, they might not stay that way if your wife ever reads the message board.
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Post by Doobs on Jan 19, 2007 7:34:10 GMT -5
I am back from Japan for good, so the nights aren't as lonely as they once were. Well, they might not stay that way if your wife ever reads the message board. He is married with kids so there is none of what you are refering to anymore!
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Post by dutch0 on Jan 19, 2007 10:55:05 GMT -5
What about Ray Kolp, the best reliever in DBS history with 86 career saves and an career ERA of 3.14.
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Post by harlem on Jan 19, 2007 12:14:02 GMT -5
What about Ray Kolp, the best reliever in DBS history with 86 career saves and an career ERA of 3.14. Quality use of Post Number 1, Dutch.
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Post by theforty on Jan 21, 2007 10:25:59 GMT -5
Well, they might not stay that way if your wife ever reads the message board. He is married with kids so there is none of what you are refering to anymore! There was none of that stuff going on when I was single! This is me we are talking about for Christssake!
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